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TickTock Austin City Council Meeting: 11.3.2016

Monday, November 7, 2016 by Michael Kanin
ITEMS

TickTock for Friday, November 4, 2016

Participants:

MKanin 157

eraycollins 1

lubomudrov 1

SomewhereinATX 1

Thursday, November 03, 2016 10AM

checking in from #atxcouncil, where it may just be a light day #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:08 AM
#atxcouncil under way #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:13 AM
Item 41
item 41 ppd. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:13 AM
Item 66
item 66 (spay/nueter item) will be time certain 4pm #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:14 AM
items 74 and 75 will be ppd until 12/15 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:14 AM
pulled: 6, 26, 29, 41 (ppd), 53 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:15 AM
Item 53
MPT @kathietovo asks for item 53 to come up right after champions item (time certain is 2pm) #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:16 AM
reminder: time certain doesn’t necessarily mean that it will happen at the time, only that time or later #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:17 AM
#atxcouncil will also discuss cancellation of work session on 11/8 (election day, for those of you keeping track) #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:18 AM
Item 26
seems item 26 (along w item 67) will be set for 1pm or later #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:19 AM
we’re about to vote on #atxcouncil consent agenda #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:30 AM
consent passes. yeas: 10 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:36 AM
off the dais: @EllenforAustin, as she will be all day #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:36 AM
#atxcouncil moves along to briefing on Dripping Springs wastewater discharge permit (to Onion Creek) #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:38 AM
here’s the @austinmonitor’s latest on this, courtesy of @JoClifton78704: https://t.co/WE2AfUdbzN November 03, 2016 10:39 AM
#atxgov staff opens with overview. includes surprisingly complicated piechart about jurisdictional purview here #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 10:40 AM
that, staff argues, underscores the importance of cooperation here #atxcouncil #atxxgov November 03, 2016 10:41 AM
Heres that piechart #atxcouncil #atxgov https://t.co/QhFg7bcFht November 03, 2016 10:42 AM
@DonZimmermanATX interrupts to wonder what effluent discharge from #atxgov looks like next to the proposed here #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 10:42 AM
answer: CoA discharge has higher concentrations of nitrogen, etc #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:43 AM
CoA staff note volume of water in creeks in question here versus Lower Colorado is substantial. much more water in river #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:45 AM
CoA staff now into history of #atxgov intervention in TCEQ permitting, and results, including settlement agreements #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 10:46 AM
Heres the history cited by #atxgov staff #atxcouncil https://t.co/S0oGCwDnd7 November 03, 2016 10:46 AM
CoA staff: Dripping Springs discard would “cause excessive algae bloom”; “degrade quality of water recharge”; more #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:48 AM
staff adds that this permit would set a new precedent for “unconditional discharges in the Barton Springs Zone” #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:48 AM
CoA notes that it has also developed a model that it argues is more effective than TCEQ model #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:49 AM
CoA staff, bringing it home, notes that Onion Creek provides the most recharge to Barton Springs of any area source #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:51 AM
staff now briefing #atxcouncil on next steps. headed to admin law judge, TCEQ, then perhaps District Court (which can only remand) #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:52 AM
@PoolforAustin wonders if Dripping Springs could store effluent rather than discharging it #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:54 AM
seems other option is land application (so, spraying…stuff). Dripping Springs would need to buy lots of land to do it #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:55 AM
@PoolforAustin notes that Belterra has onsite storage. staff confirms #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:56 AM
@PoolforAustin what happens if the algae bloom happens? staff: no going back #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:56 AM
most immediate impact here appears to be folks who live downstream in DS ETJ. could move into edwards aquifer, tho #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 10:59 AM
RT @eraycollins: Not necessary to buy land, @MKanin. Landowners can and have been paid to allow application of treated sludge and liquid w… November 03, 2016 10:59 AM
RT @eraycollins: Transport to application site can be a problem. Might be far away. @MKanin November 03, 2016 10:59 AM

Thursday, November 03, 2016 11AM

@PoolforAustin, back to storage question, why hasnt DS considered that? #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:03 AM
legal: storage is going to “play a part” no matter the situation #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:04 AM
@DonZimmermanATX argues doesn’t have expertise here, wonders if DS has had opportunity to bring their engineers #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:05 AM
to that, staff reminds @DonZimmermanATX that they are, in fact, qualified to talk about this stuff #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:05 AM
@DonZimmermanATX believes that, but wants to hear the other folks too…#atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:06 AM
obvious observation of your morning: this discharge permit continues to be something of a battle. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:08 AM
MPT @kathietovo wonders if TCEQ rule making changes might make discharge alternatives easier #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:09 AM
even if it does, staff says, it could be a while; that might make Dripping Springs less interested in that route #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:10 AM
Staff takes a minute to “underscore” that Dripping Springs has reuse on table, adds that’s been considered in model #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:11 AM
RT @eraycollins: I haven’t heard the recycling option, as per Big Spring, et al., in drier parts of TX. @MKanin November 03, 2016 11:12 AM
RT @eraycollins: TBC, in this instance “recycling” means production of potable water from sewage. @MKanin November 03, 2016 11:12 AM
@MayorAdler careful to note that process between #atxgov, Dripping Springs, has been open #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 11:13 AM
@MayorAdler continues: “that does not mean we always agree” #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:13 AM
eraycollins "”Reuse” = treatment of sewage to produce potable water? @MKanin"
@eraycollins or, in this case, spraying on land November 03, 2016 11:14 AM
@PoolforAustin closing: if environmental harm happens, no way for #atxgov to get what it loses back. pushing for no discharge #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 11:14 AM
@PoolforAustin: there is “no way to unpolluted” #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:15 AM
@DonZimmermanATX closing: we need more folks (read: DS reps) to weigh in #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:17 AM
Item 6
briefing concludes. we move along to item 6. 6 is for a fishing pier off the boardwalk #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:18 AM
pulled by @d3forpio. expressing his concerns now #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:18 AM
@d3forpio why did the pier move from the south side to the north side #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:19 AM
staff: we discussed connecting it to boardwalk, and #atxcouncil opted for that #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:20 AM
@d3forpio that’s not what the neighbors say…#atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:20 AM
hmm…seems no resolution on that, and seems this’ll pass? @d3forpio wants staff to be more straightforward next time #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:22 AM
@DonZimmermanATX takes opportunity to hate on ’10 bonds. argues lang unclear on ballot. will vote against cause bonds. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:24 AM
@PoolforAustin commits to working with @d3forpio to get a pier put in on north side of the river #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:25 AM
@DonZimmermanATX continuing to press his case. wants to redirect $600k here to construct pier on the northside of river #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:26 AM
6 passes. yeas: 9 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:27 AM
nays: @DonZimmermanATX #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:27 AM
Item 29
#atxcouncil moves along to item 29. 29 is about this: https://t.co/VUhfKcDXEI #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:28 AM
law says that #atxcouncil is okay. @DonZimmermanATX disagrees, appeals to @MayorAdler to hold off on vote, loses. #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:30 AM
SomewhereinATX "@MKanin Why would @DonZimmermanATX vote against a Fishing Pier?"
@SomewhereinATX @DonZimmermanATX i believe because he believes that the 2010 bonds were a mistake, and that the boardwalk is too expensive November 03, 2016 11:31 AM
@GregCasar says that the Dallas DNA lab contract is a step in the right direction, notes we’re not quite there yet #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:32 AM
@GregCasar expects report in four weeks re: clearing DNA lab backlog #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:32 AM
@DonZimmermanATX tries again to move term back to 12 months. doesn’t get a second #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:33 AM
29 passes, with @DonZimmermanATX vote. yeas: 10 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:33 AM
Item 27
#atxcouncil moves along to item 27, cancellation of election day work session #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:34 AM
@Oraatx1 points to annexation set for 11/10. wants to make it a second-reading-only thing without running out clock #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:36 AM
if #atxcouncil also ppds 11/10 meeting all 40 zoning cases would have to be re-noticed #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:37 AM
oh hey: also, the Grove is supposed to be back next week too…#atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:38 AM
also part 2: #atxcouncil isn’t posted to ppd 11/10 meeting. so they’d have to say on message board they won’t be there #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:39 AM
@DonZimmermanATX raises what he considers posting issue; that #atxcouncil isn’t posted to extend DNA contract w Dallas to 6 yrs #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 11:40 AM
@DGarzaforD2 doesn’t want to cancel 11/8. business of the city, she says, doesnt stop just for election day #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:41 AM
@GregCasar also doesn’t see need to cancel meeting #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:41 AM
…and @d3forpio wont be here #atxcouncil @atxgov November 03, 2016 11:44 AM
@oraatx1 also wants to have meeting, as does @mayoradler #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:44 AM
@mayoradler was going to vote for meeting but now wants an opportunity for folks to meet #atxcouncil #ATXGov November 03, 2016 11:44 AM
@d5kitchen calls day very important, will vote to cancel November 03, 2016 11:44 AM
@poolforaustin points out that it’s also about staff getting time off #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:45 AM
Further, @PoolforAustin says she’ll be out at the pools all day, where she says they should be. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:45 AM
lubomudrov "@MKanin who’s idea was it for #ATXCouncil to meeting the week of the election, anyway? Might as well meet the week between XMAS and NYE"
@lubomudrov: @PoolforAustin just noted that she didnt realize when they set calendar it was election week. I bet thats what happened November 03, 2016 11:46 AM
@PoolforAustin also takes a minute to argue that #atxcouncil should give Grove mediation time to work #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:47 AM
might also, as @GregCasar, face a quorum issue. and that appears to sway everyone the other way #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:48 AM
so. no work session Tuesday. yeas: 9 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:48 AM
nay: @Oraatx1 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:48 AM
check your #atxcouncil message board for any discussion ahead of 11/10 meeting #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:49 AM
with that, #atxcouncil moves along to items 64 and 65 #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:49 AM
64 passes. yeas: 10 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:50 AM
(these items are boards and commission administrative items) #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:51 AM
65 passes. yeas: 10 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:51 AM
so. champion tract’ll go at 1pm (w applicant request for ppd); 2 for HLC item; 4 for spay neuter and the rest of it #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:54 AM
#atxcouncil will take lunch from 12:30-1:30. i am also headed for a break. i’ll be back this afternoon #atxgov November 03, 2016 11:54 AM

Thursday, November 03, 2016 12PM

Yikes. My typo. That should read polls… https://t.co/OBiyTN1mR0 November 03, 2016 12:55 PM
RT @cubbie9000: @SomewhereinATX @MKanin @PoolforAustin Few hundred thousand knuckleheads waiting until the last minute. https://t.co/CyeqUP… November 03, 2016 12:55 PM

Thursday, November 03, 2016 2PM

Item 53
I’m back as #atxcouncil turns to take up item 53. 53 is the Palma Plaza item, and accompanying demo permit code change #atxgov November 03, 2016 02:54 PM
more on this here: https://t.co/QPsHbY3dnK #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 02:55 PM
off the bat, MPT @kathietovo notes that she will bring back the larger, demo permit question next week #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 02:55 PM
this effectively separates the zoning case from the overarching demo permit issue here #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 02:56 PM

Thursday, November 03, 2016 3PM

the underlying issue here is the inability of #atxgov historic landmark comm to get itself a quorum on the current case #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 03:02 PM
we’ve reported on this too…
https://t.co/Np08mJvGeG
https://t.co/Ud0RfNa7BO
November 03, 2016 03:04 PM
MPT @kathietovo clarifies that the second half of the res will be back next week as part of something new #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:04 PM
@Tterkel with FourT up. they’ve applied for the demo permit, and they own the property #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:07 PM
@Tterkel notes that they made 2 trips to HLC before getting a quorum and hearing #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:07 PM
@Tterkel argues that the demo permit rule change as a reaction to #atxcouncil not liking the result of the hearing, is unfair #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:11 PM
CX: @Tterkel is not the current property owner #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:12 PM
@Tterkel is the applicant for demo permit #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:12 PM
RT @davidahartman: @MKanin pretty confident TTerkel apple analogy will become tomorrow’s quote of the day . . . November 03, 2016 03:15 PM
@Tterkel adds #atxgov staff said property wasn’t worthy of H zoning, further suggests tructure doesn’t contribute to district #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 03:15 PM
@PreservationAus rep up. urging #atxcouncil to initiate h zoning, allow HLC to review (again) #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:16 PM
@perservationaus rep reports her own slate of suggestions #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:17 PM
to be clear, those @PreservationAus suggestions are in re procedural issues w h zoning #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:18 PM
@frankharren up. compares fourplex at issue here w Millet Opera House; suggests real history associated w the latter #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:19 PM
@frankharren, like @Tterkel notes #atxgov staff suggestion that fourplex isn’t historical #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:20 PM
@DonZimmermanATX will vote against H zoning here. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:21 PM
reminder: the property in question here is the Palma Plaza Apartment House #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:28 PM
2 speakers (preservation side) now made reference to aff’dble prices at Palma Plaza. might be some dispute on that point #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:30 PM
@Tterkel now closing. passes out photos. argues there is nothing historic here, that not all old buildings are historic #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:38 PM
@GregCasar picks up on claims of affordability. owner up. disputes waiting list, notes price is $1350/month #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:39 PM
property owner also says prices are not going down, adds that half of fourplex is unfilled #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:40 PM
@Oraatx1 suggests that H zoning is relative, that someone’s history may not be important to those on outside #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:41 PM
MPT @kathietovo moves approval of H zoning for palma plaza. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:42 PM
MPT @kathietovo picks up on staff notes that existence of fourplex is itself a rarity. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:44 PM
MPT @kathietovo adds that renovations are “very reversible” #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:44 PM
MPT @kathietovo now going over the H bone fides of Palma Park. historical value of residents #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:45 PM
MPT @kathietovo notes that staff, she were unable to do comprehensive research here. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:47 PM
MPT @kathietovo trying to build an H argument here. looking for full commission vetting #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:49 PM
MPT @kathietovo’s roster of former residents includes folks of various jobs, relationships to #atxgov #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 03:50 PM
@PoolforAustin worries that #atxgov staff didn’t have the “bandwidth” to fully vet property #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:53 PM
@PoolforAustin pushing for attorney, more staff “quickly” at #atxgov historic preservation #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 03:54 PM
@DonZimmermanATX into property rights here. cites Kelo (SP?) vs New London #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:56 PM
tack here from @DonZimmermanATX: notes he’s in minority. urges majority to think about gov’t coming for their property #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:57 PM
@d3forpio wonders if case can be heard twice in close period here. staff: yes. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 03:58 PM

Thursday, November 03, 2016 4PM

@GregCasar notes HLC is process we’ve set up, and is hesitant to send property back thru–but would if h value was clear #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:02 PM
@SheriGalloD10 argues that @Tterkel didn’t get adequate time to make case to #atxcouncil. seems to like 7 day ppd #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:04 PM
MPT @kathietovo doesnt want to wait the week. says process is there, #atxcouncil should follow #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:05 PM
confusion here re: number votes, whether there was a vote on H zoning at HLC. our story is here: https://t.co/mEWo92GNH8 #atxgov #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 04:07 PM
MPT @kathietovo pushing for decision today, being coy over reasoning. only notes “clock is moving” #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:08 PM
@MayorAdler has staff confirm that no demo permit will be issued by staff. @kathietovo remains concerned #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:11 PM
with that, #atxcouncil moves to exec session to hear @kathietovo’s concerns here… #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:11 PM
we shall return after that…#atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:11 PM
@MayorAdler gets agreement from @Tterkel that property won’t get demoed in 7 if #atxcouncil takes another week to consider #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:15 PM
Item 53
#atxcouncil now filtering back from executive session on Palma Plaza (item 53) #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:35 PM
both agree. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:36 PM
now, @MayorAdler looking to get property owner, dev to agree to not demo property if #atxcouncil initiates h zoning #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:38 PM
@Tterkel will not agree to waive rights in future case, only in case here #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:38 PM
ppd vote passes yeas: 6 #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:39 PM
nays: @Oraatx1 @kathietovo @PoolforAustin @D5Kitchen #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:40 PM
demo permit convo key there. @kathietovo concern appears to be that demo might happen down line, related to ppd today #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:42 PM
#atxcouncil ppds items 75, 76, dispatches w AHFC agenda #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:43 PM
Item 66
and that moves us along to item 66. this is the spay/neuter item. #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:43 PM
this is our latest on this… https://t.co/Pev22jJgTl #atxgov #atxcouncil November 03, 2016 04:44 PM
@MayorAdler now, again, pushing applicant and property owner to agree to not request demo permit for week ppd #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:45 PM
im afraid i need to check out just about now. thanks for following along, we’ll see y’all next time! #atxcouncil #atxgov November 03, 2016 04:58 PM

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